Pandagon still has jumped the shark but I still kinda like it, I
Yes, I'm still reading Pandagon.
Why? BecauseAmanda Marcotte is mildly hot there's some interesting stuff on there! For instance, here's some analysis of a study about how marriage has been on a downward spiral for decades and it's silly to try to blame gay marriage for it. Now, for the historical record as it were, I am pro-marriage. Been married for five years, my parents for almost thirty. I think the husband-wife dynamic can be awesome and whatnot.
I also think that a stable family life is very good for society as a whole, e.g. that it is a foundation or building block. However, I think that today's social conservatives are taking the easy targets instead of doing the hard work (passing laws and riling up voters is much easier than trying to help out marriages country wide, not to mention targetting GLBT people instead of divorcees, I must say).
The usual response (as listed by a commenter to that post) is this:
Q “Will same-sex marriage undermine the institution of marriage?
A “It already has. More precisely, it has further undermined the institution. The separation of marriage from parenthood was increasing; gay marriage has widened the separation. Out-of-wedlock birthrates were rising; gay marriage has added to the factors pushing those rates higher. Instead of encouraging a society-wide return to marriage, Scandinavian gay marriage has driven home the message that marriage itself is outdated, and that virtually any family form, including out-of-wedlock parenthood, is acceptable.”(emphasis in original)
Even if you did agree that gay marriage was sort of an icing on the cake to marriage collapse, then it still seems odd to focus the majority of your attention on it. Maybe you should work on the root causes. Since it was social shame that prevented illegitimate births in the first place, I don't see how a regime of laws would somehow reverse the trend.
Why? Because
I also think that a stable family life is very good for society as a whole, e.g. that it is a foundation or building block. However, I think that today's social conservatives are taking the easy targets instead of doing the hard work (passing laws and riling up voters is much easier than trying to help out marriages country wide, not to mention targetting GLBT people instead of divorcees, I must say).
The usual response (as listed by a commenter to that post) is this:
Q “Will same-sex marriage undermine the institution of marriage?
A “It already has. More precisely, it has further undermined the institution. The separation of marriage from parenthood was increasing; gay marriage has widened the separation. Out-of-wedlock birthrates were rising; gay marriage has added to the factors pushing those rates higher. Instead of encouraging a society-wide return to marriage, Scandinavian gay marriage has driven home the message that marriage itself is outdated, and that virtually any family form, including out-of-wedlock parenthood, is acceptable.”(emphasis in original)
Even if you did agree that gay marriage was sort of an icing on the cake to marriage collapse, then it still seems odd to focus the majority of your attention on it. Maybe you should work on the root causes. Since it was social shame that prevented illegitimate births in the first place, I don't see how a regime of laws would somehow reverse the trend.
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